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		<title>By: abhar</title>
		<link>http://wendimomen.com/2008/05/01/the-election-trail/#comment-352</link>
		<author>abhar</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am rewaly pleased that Ihad chance to see the picture of  UHJ
                  Abhar</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am rewaly pleased that Ihad chance to see the picture of  UHJ<br />
                  Abhar</p>
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		<title>By: abhar</title>
		<link>http://wendimomen.com/2008/05/01/the-election-trail/#comment-351</link>
		<author>abhar</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>????? ?????? ??? ?? ??????? ????? ????? ???? ??? ????? ?? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ???? ?? ????

    I am rewaly pleased that Ihad chance to see the picture of  UHJ
                  Abhar                     ????</description>
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<p>    I am rewaly pleased that Ihad chance to see the picture of  UHJ<br />
                  Abhar                     ????</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://wendimomen.com/2008/05/01/the-election-trail/#comment-308</link>
		<author>Bruce</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Voter apathy: voters are apathetic when they cannot see the relationship between their vote and making things happen, when they do not think they will make a difference. For Baha’is, the relationship is clear. As all Baha’is, as a tenet of their faith, are engaged in service to humanity, and as voting is one form of service and election to office only but another, voter turn-out at Bahá’í elections tends to be high."

Perhaps the voter turn-out is high in your neck of the woods, but here in our community of almost 300 the voter turn-out was 27.3%. It has hovered around this number since I moved here in 1984.

What are the numbers in the areas of others?

Cheers,

Bruce Gibson
Saskatoon
Canada</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Voter apathy: voters are apathetic when they cannot see the relationship between their vote and making things happen, when they do not think they will make a difference. For Baha’is, the relationship is clear. As all Baha’is, as a tenet of their faith, are engaged in service to humanity, and as voting is one form of service and election to office only but another, voter turn-out at Bahá’í elections tends to be high.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps the voter turn-out is high in your neck of the woods, but here in our community of almost 300 the voter turn-out was 27.3%. It has hovered around this number since I moved here in 1984.</p>
<p>What are the numbers in the areas of others?</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Bruce Gibson<br />
Saskatoon<br />
Canada</p>
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		<title>By: branwen owen</title>
		<link>http://wendimomen.com/2008/05/01/the-election-trail/#comment-307</link>
		<author>branwen owen</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi andrew, it's been a long time!
all three points greatly concern me too.  the closed system of uhj appointing the itc, then those in the itc being essentially promoted to a position to appoint the next itc,  makes it all seem more than a little nepotistic. 

i haven't seen evidence of this trend of electing fewer pioneers to the nsa s. but really i hope it's true.

thank you for bringing up these important points andrew, we need to bring  post-election analysis in from the very fringes of the bahai community, as the current  absence of any critical thinking on bahai elections is frankly creepy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi andrew, it&#8217;s been a long time!<br />
all three points greatly concern me too.  the closed system of uhj appointing the itc, then those in the itc being essentially promoted to a position to appoint the next itc,  makes it all seem more than a little nepotistic. </p>
<p>i haven&#8217;t seen evidence of this trend of electing fewer pioneers to the nsa s. but really i hope it&#8217;s true.</p>
<p>thank you for bringing up these important points andrew, we need to bring  post-election analysis in from the very fringes of the bahai community, as the current  absence of any critical thinking on bahai elections is frankly creepy</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Turvey</title>
		<link>http://wendimomen.com/2008/05/01/the-election-trail/#comment-294</link>
		<author>Andrew Turvey</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 15:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Wendi,

Thanks for the fascinating post! As another elections junkie, I'm also very interested in the comparisons between  Baha'i and secular democratic elections.

You mentioned:

"There were no nominations, no electioneering, no campaigns, no canvassing for votes. There were no political parties, no party platforms - in fact, none of the things that we have come to associate with elections....And no one `won’ the election."

Although all this is true, after a secular democratic election you tend to get a lot of analysis about the election results. Of course you can't do party analysis for Baha'i elections, but you can look at some interesting other features.

Three interesting results stand out from this election for me; firstly is the fact that every UHJ member - including the two new members - is now a former ITC member. 
(http://bahairants.com/meet-the-new-universal-house-of-justice-488.html has an interesting take on this) in a sense this is a shift towards the Roman Catholic system, whereby Cardinals elect the Pope who in turn appoints the Cardinals.

The second is the continuation of the pro-incumbancy pattern of Baha'i elections, in sharp contrast to, for instance, the anti-incumbancy pattern seen in Indians elections.

The third is geographical; although a clear majority of Baha'is globally have, since the 1960s, been from the developing world (particularly India and Africa), the faith's leadership has been predominantly led by two groups - Iranians and Westerners. I've heard stories that this is starting to change - western pioneers being displaced by indigenous Baha'is on NSAs for instance and wonder if/when it will start at the UHJ level. Would Correa fit into that box?

Were there any thoughts you had on these or other matters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Wendi,</p>
<p>Thanks for the fascinating post! As another elections junkie, I&#8217;m also very interested in the comparisons between  Baha&#8217;i and secular democratic elections.</p>
<p>You mentioned:</p>
<p>&#8220;There were no nominations, no electioneering, no campaigns, no canvassing for votes. There were no political parties, no party platforms - in fact, none of the things that we have come to associate with elections&#8230;.And no one `won’ the election.&#8221;</p>
<p>Although all this is true, after a secular democratic election you tend to get a lot of analysis about the election results. Of course you can&#8217;t do party analysis for Baha&#8217;i elections, but you can look at some interesting other features.</p>
<p>Three interesting results stand out from this election for me; firstly is the fact that every UHJ member - including the two new members - is now a former ITC member.<br />
(http://bahairants.com/meet-the-new-universal-house-of-justice-488.html has an interesting take on this) in a sense this is a shift towards the Roman Catholic system, whereby Cardinals elect the Pope who in turn appoints the Cardinals.</p>
<p>The second is the continuation of the pro-incumbancy pattern of Baha&#8217;i elections, in sharp contrast to, for instance, the anti-incumbancy pattern seen in Indians elections.</p>
<p>The third is geographical; although a clear majority of Baha&#8217;is globally have, since the 1960s, been from the developing world (particularly India and Africa), the faith&#8217;s leadership has been predominantly led by two groups - Iranians and Westerners. I&#8217;ve heard stories that this is starting to change - western pioneers being displaced by indigenous Baha&#8217;is on NSAs for instance and wonder if/when it will start at the UHJ level. Would Correa fit into that box?</p>
<p>Were there any thoughts you had on these or other matters?</p>
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		<title>By: Andromeda</title>
		<link>http://wendimomen.com/2008/05/01/the-election-trail/#comment-293</link>
		<author>Andromeda</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 10:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if you would care to review www.1party4all.co.uk - an opinion polling direct democracy website?

I find Bahais extremely reluctant to talk politics or say anything one way or another that could be construed as anything resembling a political opinion.  

Bahais believe in world politics, eg eliminating hunger, poverty and pollution as well as motherhood and apple pie ....

What do Bahais believe in?  What do Bahais want from government?  Do they have views on immigration, crime and punishment, the death penalty, feminism, the European Union, the State of Israel, political correctness etc?  

Below are two pieces on religion that you may find of interest.

http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2008/03/atheists-theory-of-prophets-and.html

http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2008/03/judaism-explained-before-easter.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if you would care to review <a href="http://www.1party4all.co.uk" rel="nofollow">www.1party4all.co.uk</a> - an opinion polling direct democracy website?</p>
<p>I find Bahais extremely reluctant to talk politics or say anything one way or another that could be construed as anything resembling a political opinion.  </p>
<p>Bahais believe in world politics, eg eliminating hunger, poverty and pollution as well as motherhood and apple pie &#8230;.</p>
<p>What do Bahais believe in?  What do Bahais want from government?  Do they have views on immigration, crime and punishment, the death penalty, feminism, the European Union, the State of Israel, political correctness etc?  </p>
<p>Below are two pieces on religion that you may find of interest.</p>
<p><a href="http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2008/03/atheists-theory-of-prophets-and.html" rel="nofollow">http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2008/03/atheists-theory-of-prophets-and.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2008/03/judaism-explained-before-easter.html" rel="nofollow">http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2008/03/judaism-explained-before-easter.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wendi Momen</title>
		<link>http://wendimomen.com/2008/05/01/the-election-trail/#comment-292</link>
		<author>Wendi Momen</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 00:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your points. I agree that the institutions of the Faith can provide information on what the writings say about Baha'i elections and the qualities the voters should consider - the National Assembly here in the UK definitely does do this and also provides training for delegates to the National Convention. Ultimately, however, the voter must study this guidance and apply it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your points. I agree that the institutions of the Faith can provide information on what the writings say about Baha&#8217;i elections and the qualities the voters should consider - the National Assembly here in the UK definitely does do this and also provides training for delegates to the National Convention. Ultimately, however, the voter must study this guidance and apply it.</p>
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		<title>By: César Reyes</title>
		<link>http://wendimomen.com/2008/05/01/the-election-trail/#comment-289</link>
		<author>César Reyes</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 21:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fully agree with your post, the difference is abysmal. Thank you for reminding us of the beautiful and important words of 'Abdu'l-Bahá.

However I not totally agree with your observation that voter education is "is the responsibility of every Baha’i" only. 
Thought the years I have encounter that some friends have a magic approach to voting. They consider that "God will take care of everything" and for them it is not important what each individual friend does. They not prepare themselves, they just pick names at random. When you have quite a few doing that the outcome is not the best it could be.

The words of the Guardian regarding the qualities of the individuals might be read but not studied in the communities as a whole in the months prior to the voting. And besides, some guidance would be of assistance to friends in National Assemblies that have very little contact with the mainstream of Bahá'i activities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fully agree with your post, the difference is abysmal. Thank you for reminding us of the beautiful and important words of &#8216;Abdu&#8217;l-Bahá.</p>
<p>However I not totally agree with your observation that voter education is &#8220;is the responsibility of every Baha’i&#8221; only.<br />
Thought the years I have encounter that some friends have a magic approach to voting. They consider that &#8220;God will take care of everything&#8221; and for them it is not important what each individual friend does. They not prepare themselves, they just pick names at random. When you have quite a few doing that the outcome is not the best it could be.</p>
<p>The words of the Guardian regarding the qualities of the individuals might be read but not studied in the communities as a whole in the months prior to the voting. And besides, some guidance would be of assistance to friends in National Assemblies that have very little contact with the mainstream of Bahá&#8217;i activities.</p>
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		<title>By: SAM</title>
		<link>http://wendimomen.com/2008/05/01/the-election-trail/#comment-288</link>
		<author>SAM</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 11:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for such an outstanding analysis on the electoral process. 

I also find myself really enjoying electoral processes and most my friends and family think I shouldn't even bother, but it is the best way for me to see these manifold differences you have so clearly mentioned!

PS: If I may, you forgot Italian elections! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for such an outstanding analysis on the electoral process. </p>
<p>I also find myself really enjoying electoral processes and most my friends and family think I shouldn&#8217;t even bother, but it is the best way for me to see these manifold differences you have so clearly mentioned!</p>
<p>PS: If I may, you forgot Italian elections! <img src='http://wendimomen.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Duane L Herrmann</title>
		<link>http://wendimomen.com/2008/05/01/the-election-trail/#comment-287</link>
		<author>Duane L Herrmann</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 12:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree whole heartedly (except for ignoring the Palau election and Mr Razavi being my nephew).  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree whole heartedly (except for ignoring the Palau election and Mr Razavi being my nephew).  <img src='http://wendimomen.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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